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Jim DeMint and Mike Needham on Defunding Obamacare

It should come as no surprise that the leftist media is deliberately twisting the conservative message about how to stop Obamacare.  Conservatives do not want to shut down the government over Obamacare; the conservative plan is to fund the government while defunding Obamacare.  Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint and Heritage Action CEO explain (sub. req’d):

Few Americans are clamoring to shut down the federal government, but polls indicate that a majority of Americans agree that ObamaCare will be a disaster for their family’s health care and for the nation’s economy. So why is President Obama threatening to shut down the government if Congress sends him a year-end spending bill to fully support government operations but without funding for his (unfair, unworkable and unaffordable) health-care law?

This question is not being addressed fairly by the media, so the American people are not being told the truth about the coming political showdown over ObamaCare. Here’s what’s really happening.

“Virtually all Republicans” were elected to Congress to stop Obamacare, and every one of them has voted to repeal it.  However, Republican “grand speeches, votes and chest-pounding” hasn’t gotten the job done.  DeMint and Needham explain what really needs to happen:

ObamaCare can be stopped only if Congress denies funding for it in the next spending bill, which must be passed in September. That would immediately halt the implementation of ObamaCare and fulfill a defining GOP promise to the American people. Voting for a spending bill that excludes ObamaCare will take courage and integrity.

There are some who argue that ObamaCare can’t be defunded because most of its spending is deemed “mandatory.” Their assertions are wrong. According to the Congressional Research Service, ObamaCare “administrative costs will have to be funded through the annual discretionary appropriations.” Furthermore, annual appropriations bills routinely carry funding limitations to mandatory spending and often block a wide range of potential government activities. The Hyde Amendment to a 1976 appropriation bill, for example, blocked all taxpayer funding of abortion, and has every year since 1976. Congress can disallow funding for ObamaCare and effectively stop the implementation of the law.

Remember, Democrats and Mr. Obama will try to accuse Republicans of trying to shut down the government:

Yet doing that will require resolve. President Obama, along with all the Democrats, will accuse Republicans of trying to shut down the government by giving the president a spending bill that he must veto. But there is no “must” about it. If the president opts to shut down all of government instead of just ObamaCare, that will be his choice, not the wish of conservatives.

Again, political implications are NOT the most important thing.  Dan Holler made this point recently as well:

The most important thing is to save American from Mr. Obama’s destructive, unworkable, unaffordable healthcare law, as Needham and DeMint conclude:

Politicians who oppose ObamaCare should not vote to fund it. Those who want a socialized health-care system should vote to fund it. There is no middle ground and no place to hide.
Republicans could lose the national debate. But a failure of Republicans to show the courage of their convictions on such a fundamental issue will inspire no one and will further alienate the American people from their government. This carries far greater risks to the nation’s future than the threat of a government shutdown or the risk of losing the next election.

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170 thoughts on “Jim DeMint and Mike Needham on Defunding Obamacare

  1. We the People prefer temporary political battles. Look at the polls; 67% of us are already disgusted with ObamaCare and a majority are disappointed with Obama.
    Dan is right; we got a majority in 2010 and 2012 because of ObamaCare.

    As for the CNN video…I listened, I counted. Wolf Blitzer used the “are you willing to shut down the Government” six (6) times! Thankfully, Dan Holler held his ground; even against the lies about “the Republican disaster” in 1995. And with Anna Navorro as Republican Strategist, the Democrats have no worries about Wolf slipping up on Dem talking points; she used demagoguery to “demagoguery” 2 to 1 on Wolf.
    Moreover, the 2012 turn out debacle was primarily because of our weakened (not weak) candidates. This mid-term is everything and we conservatives know it. all we have to do is convince the Republicans.
    God Bless America

    • You got a majority is 2010 by redistricting and by voter suppression. It will never happen again, the people have wised up to the shenanigans of the corporation First right wing. We have a constitution, by the people for the people its not for the corporation, by the corporation which is what the teabaggers want…They want a dictator in chief, who will create bigger government to rule over women. Got news, the women in this country are so angry they will come out en masse.

      • “They want a dictator in chief, who will create bigger government to rule over women.” WTF are you blathering on about? Is this the old hackneyed war on women meme? Puh-lease. Get a life.

        • Chris, he’s defining Obama. He’s a big-government dictator-in-chief that rules over women. Look how he used them (remember “vote with your lady parts”?) in his campaign!

          • All WOMEN have turned their backs on the party who wants bigger government, need all those vagina watchers. GOP has attacked all women young and old, that’s why WE turned away from pure lunacy. You exaggerate the facts, you hate on immigrants, (if you are not native americans your ALL immigrants!

          • Tell that to the women that vote Republican. Heck, look my mother in her face and tell her that she isn’t a woman.

            So, by your logic, caring for the unborn is (private parts) watching?

            Is that the only thing you can say about what we do to women, while cities like Detroit are parentless, shattered, and ruined, with women (and men) raped or shot (despite gun control) without a defense?

            The only thing you can say that we do to women is attack their privates? What about their hearts? What about their minds? What about their husbands or their families, if applicable?

            Oh right. You don’t care about anything but a woman’s privates. That’s all a woman is to you: a sex machine, and the government shouldn’t regulate sex of any kind. It’s always the GOP-government in your reproductive organs, isn’t it? We watch their privates this, regulate their privates that. I never hear you liberals give a rip about anything but a woman’s privates.

            You’re too busy soaking your hands in the blood of embryoes, fetuses, and zygotes as you yank them apart and rip them limb from limb (e.g. rogues like Kermit Gosnell or second-trimester line in DC). That’s all you think a woman is good for: voting Democrat and aborting the unborn. How many times to Republicans dress up like women’s privates?

            They even said it themselves: http://codepink.org/article.php?id=6178

            1. Democrats deressing up like women’s privates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRBTrlc77l0&feature=player_embedded

            2. Democrats dressing up like women’s privates: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/28/medea-benjamin-and-code-pink-protest-the-rnc-in-tampa.html

            3. Democrats dressing up like women’s privates: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/120827/code-pink-vaginas-visit-rnc-protest-gop-war-wome

            4. The acutal website telling them to do that: http://codepink.org/article.php?id=6178

          • Turtle: crawl back into that hard shell..republican women have abortions too…and you righties don’t even want families to have birthcontrol that’s how nuts you are, and how you will continue to loose elections. Even Liberterians think your a bunch of losers that will cost the party in future elections. Your a minority with a big mouths, spouting talking points of the John Birch Society (the Koch Bros) who want a NEW world order, with corporations in charge of it all…aint happening.

          • First:
            By not challenging my links, you admit that Democrats see women as walking privates. You supplement that confession by immediately bringing up birth control. I neither spoke of abortion nor birth control; I was talking about a real, physical “war on women” being waged in the Islamic world. You changed it to sex.

            Second:

            Republicans don’t want birth control inside of wedlock? Don’t you mean the Catholic Church doesn’t want birth control inside of wedlock? They had that stance, if I recall correctly.

            The last time I checked, the Republican Party has yet to have the guts to challenge “Griswald v. Connecticut”, which actually concerned birth control. In fact, I don’t know what section of your lower digestive system that your idea about birth control and the GOP came to be.

            You must clearly be confusing that with my stance on contraceptives: I believe, not the GOP, not Heritage, not the Kock Brothers, but I, MYSELF, TURTLESHROOM, believe that contraceptives should not be issued without presentation of a wedding license, certificate, or other proof of wedlock.
            That’s me. That’s not the GOP.

            Get your people straight. I am not the entire Republican Party.

          • Oh your talking about the muslim women….not the American women…sorry I thought the topic here was defeating Obama care…Put down your Torah, Bible and Koran and pick up the US Consitution and Bill of rights…oh I forget Bush tore it up…
            its only a piece of paper.

          • How has your few minority women helped you to win elections. The women turned that back so fast on ole Mutt Robme, the GOP was amazed…they thought they had the election in the bag…well guess what…keep doing what your doing and 2016….meet president Hilary Clinton.

      • A dictator-in-chief? Like the one that creates bigger government at home and pays Muslim advocacy groups (like the Muslim Brotherhood) with direct foreign aid to not only rule over, but oppress and beat women?

        If you want to talk about oppressing women, look no further than the men who Obama loves to give foreign aid to.

        Obama is not a Muslim, but he has his kissy-face pressed up to the Islamists’ rear. His constant appeasement and financial assistance has even led to heavy artillery and missiles (SAM Batteries) to Team Rebel in Syria? Are you aware that Al-Qaeda serves in Team Rebel, and that cannabalism has been reported?

        Obama is arming cannibals.
        Since you are too close-minded to use a right-leaning news source, let me give you a news source so neutral that I take it as gospel:

        1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23190533 – The cannibalism is there.

        2. Here’s an ABC (also reliable, though left-leaning) link to the cannibal: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/05/syrian-cannibal-says-he-will-stand-trial-if-assad-does/

        3. The UK Daily Sun: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4971669/Putin-Syria-cannibals-warning.html

        4. UK Independent, interview: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syrian-civil-war-the-day-i-met-the-organ-eating-cannibal-rebel-abu-sakkars-fearsome-followers-8617828.html

        Stop acting as if Republicans are Muslims, and look to the REAL dictators that are ACTUALLY OPPRESSING WOMEN.

        • ONE TRILLION for George WAR Bush to lie, deceive us into two wars! Our military men and women committing suicide everyday because of what they were ORDERED to do. We give Israel $3 BILLION every year, in fact one TRILLION since 1948…we give Eygpt a $12M…and the musllim brotherhood was run out of there…Morsi is out..watch the news much? Why don’t you call to stop Israel from stealing our money? We have countries around the world with human beings starving to death, if we are going to hand out our taxdollars give it people who are STARVING.

          • You: can’t fight my argument.

            So you: bring up George Bush. You forfeit the debate because Bush is GONE.

            First, I think that direct monetary aid to Israel is duplicity. Israel can take care of herself. All she needs is a few nukes and some more missiles, adn we can supply those WAY CHEAPER. In fact, if we BUTTED OUT of the Israeli situation, they could GET SOMETHING DONE and stop beating around the UN’s bush.
            How did you instantly assume that I believe we should directly fund aid to Israel?

            Second, assuming you are right and we’ve funded three billion to Israel since 1946 AD, then that is sixty seven years from then to now. Sixty seven times three billion is two hundred one billion. That is about a quarter of your trillion dollar Israeli subsidy.

            What about Obama lying and deceiving us clean into the Libyan crisis and sending arms to the cannibals in Syria?

            Is that as bad as Dubya committing one illegitimate invasion and one legitimate retaliation (Iraq and Afghanistan respectively), or is all the money we cough up for Obama’s wars good and just?
            George W. Bush spent approximately eight hundred billion on the wars he conducted, legitimate and illegitimate combined.

            Lastly, Obama sent money and aid to Morsi but delayed it when the coup d’etat happened in Egypt. Don’t you follow up on the news after it breaks?

          • Ha. Your too dumb to argue with. $3billion a year is MILITARY parts, hardware, jets, bombers, you name it…that doesn’t count for the rest of the money we pay for …like their highways systems, etc…plus they have a single payer health care system….thanks to the good ole USA

        • REPUKES been funding the Muslim Brotherhood for last 30 yrs.damn its easy it to punch holes through your dumb posts.

    • 67% of you have listened to the right wing corporate supporters, instead of looking at facts…why is that the tea party doesn’t want to get rid of ALL obamacare, just the points you don’t like and even then you haven’t got facts. Single payer is going to happen in this country as soon as the citizens realize we don’t need middle men, we don’t need their beancounters over ruling our doctors. Go to: PNHP.org, the fastest growing doctor association in the country all supporting single payer.

  2. ObamaCare is a patient care, economic, and fiscal disaster!

    My problem with the defunding tactic is that we are 6 years into ObamaCare and their has been no organized, articulated, widely supported alternative. This is inexcusable for the Republicans.

    Heritage, Docs4patientcare, AEI, CATO, many others have outlined the necessary reforms that would reform our current healthcare system, addressing the unsustainable cost growth of insurance and improve access for all Americans.

    Those reforms include moving away from a 3rd party payer system and towards patient centered financing by promoting high deductible policies associated with tax favored HSA’s; eliminating the 3rd rate Medicaid system that provides expensive care, poor access, and poor patient care by providing all Americans a refundable tax credit to buy free market (private insurance); eliminating the federal tax bias that favors employer provided insurance over individually owned insurance, again through the mechanism of a refundable tax credit for all Americans.

    ObamaCare is collapsing and with not alternative what will rise out of the ashes is a government run single payer system.

    • You fool. Obamacare is not 6 yrs old, in fact it will only begin in Jan. 2014…yet we have already seen the benefits.Obamacare isn’t collapsing its being embrassed…so please do this and see what happens to the Tea Party nutbags, and the demise of the GOP.

      • People who call people names should look into the mirror as they speak. People who call people names have no informed message.

        • AS PEOPLE, YOUR HYPOCRISY DOESN’T HAVE A HORN?
          WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WHO MUST LOOK INTO THE MIRROR SIX TIME A DAY BEFORE AND AFTER EAT ARE TERRORISTS, TRAITORS, THIEF, SABOTEURS ROOT FROM YOUR PREDATORY TRIBE GREEK LOOKING FOR INDEPENDENCE IN A COUNTRY HOST? THIS IS INFORMED MESSAGE. EVERY COUNTRY IN ALL AROUND THE WORLD WAS CREATED FROM SOME PRINCEDOM, GREECE COUNTRY WAS CREATED FROM ONE PREDATORY TRIBE USED TO LIVE IN A SMALL ISLANDS BY THE TIME CRETE ISLAND WAS THE BIGGEST AND USED TO BE TRIBE’S CENTER? THIS IS THE ORIGINE FROM ALL TERRORISTS TRYING TO ATTACK INNOCENT PEOPLE TO REALIZE THE DREAM FROM THE MOTHER? DO YOU WANT TO TELL MORE INFORMED MESSAGE? SHAME ON YOU!

      • You’ll gain a ton of support by calling people names.

        While Obamacare may not officially begin until 2014, why have so many applied for waivers? Why are individuals (other than big Obama donors) not given waivers? Why is Jimmy Hoffam his unions, the IRS union so upset about Obamacare?

        My premiums have jumped significantly – anticipating having to pay for everyday being Christmas.

        • Anticipate all you want. You wont know until 2014 how low your premiums will go. Why don’t you google some facts. California has already seen their premiums go down, which is why the Heritage Tea Party nuts are trying to continue their lies and distortions…they cant win on this. In fact your losing all those on medicare who were bamboozled and lied to by the Tea party. The only way to bring down costs is through Medicare for All…. As long as corporations have anything to do with healthcare, their CEOS will continue to make millions in salaries, along with their shareholders. That 20% could be going into your pocket, not the pocket of insurance companies who provide no health care…but take a nice chunk of your premium. We don’t need “middle men”, the only country in the world with for profit health care is the US. and we are 37th in the world behind Cuba and Costa Rica in outcomes. As far as name calling you right wingers should buck up, you have called us all kinds of disgusting names, so right back at ya.

          • spktruth200
            Your “facts” are nonsense. Your histrionics are unimpressive. Your name calling is childish. The fact is that you are here because you have drank from the koolaid of the Marxists in Washington and hope someday to become an annointed one as well. Here’s news, bucko: the ‘leadership’ doesn’t care about you. You are just one of the “useful idiots”, and when it comes time for them to determine who to screw next, once they have spent all the money of others who had more and were wrung out by the DC utopian dreams, your name will come up along with all the other “useful idiots” and you will find yourself shocked, shocked! to see that you have been merely a pawn in their game all along… wake up.

          • At least he’s honest enough to actually hope for a single-player system and admit that European-style socialized medicine is precisely what he wants.

            Well, actually, he’s desparate enough for Cuban-style socialized medicine. Cuba’s healthcare is irrelevant as long as Cuba takes political prisoners and dissidents and denies it to them. At least Scandenavia doesn’t imprison dissidents. (Though if the Muslims have their way there, demographically…)

          • The VA system is a single payer system. Medicare is a single payer system…the costs for administering are 3%…what is your for profit insurance company charging you? Huh! That’s to pay those millionaire CEO’s, shareholders, advertising etc, which doesn’t pay a cent towards health care…its corporate welfare.

          • 1. The VA is in the red, underfunded, and in great need of expansion. (I support my tax money going to the VA.)

            Veterans in the VA system are disproportionately committing suicide, and the VA can’t stop it as well as privatized medicine can. Socialized medicine can not stop the suicide, and while private medicine can’t do that much, either, at least it is more effective.

            2. While Medicare is socialized medicine, it isn’t technically a pure single-payer safety net.

            Medicare is an annuity. People that pay their FICA tax are paid back from the Medicare trust when they retire. Their money goes into the system, is pooled to make interest, and is then given back from that.

            OBAMA CUT A HUNDRED BILLION FROM MEDICARE: http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2013/04/15/obamacare-to-slash-hundreds-of-billions-from-medicare-advantage-over-next-10-years/

            Corporate welfare you say? Well, there’s somethign we agree on. I DESPISE corporate welfare. I despise that the GOP isn’t stopping it.

            How about we get rid of it, remove the subsidies, and get the government out of healthcare? Then we can make Big Pharma compete across state lines.

            Opposing corporate welfare is a Tea Party principle. A Demcorat Congress bailed out automakers and all the banks. Bush may have signed it, but DEMOCRATS BAILED OUT THE BANKS.

          • TWO ILLEGAL wars, and thousands and thousands of our sons and daughters coming home to a system that is overwhelmed…blame the illegal wars and the Bushies, not the System…that is over extended.

          • Who has MORE people in jail than any other country, that would be the good ole not free USA. Thanks to Reagan, Rockefeller and the Bushites…prisons are profit makers…putting the poorest of the poor, and those with a disease called drug/alcohol addiction, now our prisons are so full, the Supreme Court had to force California to close them down and get drug/alcohol rehab programs going.

          • Nope no Marxist, no tea party nut either. I worked on the single payer health care system plan for 12 years…do any of you know the word “erisa”? Its not about utopian dreams its facts. Why is that Canada a single payer system can make a car across the border for $1800 less…that’s because in the US our health care costs are attached to our companies. The Company that we work shouldn’t be involved in insurance or health care…that’s what ole Tricky Dick Nixon brought to us.

          • Why do Canadians fly to America to get vital surgery,, and why do Americans go to Canada for cheap pills? Hmm.

            Have you ever heard of the Quebec case where banning all private insurance was considered a breech of human rights? The lines were killing people.

            It was “Chaoulli v. Quebec”.

            “The court ruled that the waiting lists had become so long that they violated patients’ ‘life and personal security, inviolability and freedom’ under the Quebec charter of human rights and freedoms, which covers about one-quarter of Canada’s population.”

            Now that private insuance is making a comeback, hey, they’re doin’ better!

          • That’s another right wing lie…People are triaged according to NEED. If you need an emergency operation you get it…if you have a condition that is not considered emergency your are triaged, just like our hospitals do.. the right have been pushing that idiotic remark for decades…its been debunked everywhere but at CATO, AEI, Heritage and other right wing Koch bros sponsored right wing fringe sites.

          • Your talking points are straight from the Heritage right wing corporate Koch Brothers funded group…you have asked any real questions based in fact, when you I will respond.

          • Go move to Cuba and earn 15 dollars a month. Better yet when have talked to people who have lived in the UK under their socialized medicine or any other country. When has the Government ever done anything that works? You need to do better research.

          • Actually a group of Doctors visited Cuba from NYC and were amazed at the health care system they have.. England doesn’t have a single payer system #1. UK’s government pays the salaries of the health care officials…that’s now what the US wants? Ask people in Canada who do have a single payer system why they wouldn’t consider moving here. Ask those in France who have the absolute best system…they don’t even have a billing office….you know nothing.Does your mail arrive everyday? Government program! Does your FBI, CIA work for you, those are government programs. Police, Fireman, Transportation Dept, etc, etc…those are for the benefit of all the American people.

      • The benefits? Oh, you mean like all of these waivers, the delaying of implementation of the law on schedule, and the rising healthcare costs THAT MY FAMILY IS PERSONALLY WATCHING BILL BY BILL BY BILL?

        The healthcare law isn’t even going to begin in 2014, fully! Why? OBAMA JUST DELAYED THE EMPLOYER MANDATE, SON.

      • So which car are in in the train wreck? The only ones that are benefiting are the ones that have gotten exemptions. Seniors got big benefit a 750 million dollar cut. Since when is losing jobs a benefit.
        Typical liberal definition of benefits is it a benefit when someone pays for it.

    • ALLthose organizations PUSHED the Affordable Care act when it was in Mass…that was a REPUBLICAN CATO INSTITUTE legislation. Ole Mutt Robme couldn’t have passed it in Mass without CATO and the right wing groups. Single Payer was heavily supported in Mass and ONLY lost by ONE vote…so ask yourself why MUTT ROBME delivered the SAME health care system to Mass, but its not good enough for the nation…get facts and stop using the Heritiage foundation talking points…that’s all you, NO facts, just talk and opinion.

    • Medicare is 3rd rate~ what a joke! Ask anyone on it, if they are willing to give it up…hell no they don’t which is why your loosing all the seniors to democrats.

      • TAX credits don’t buy insurance. Tax CREDITS don’t pay my doctor and hospital! There is no such think as a FREE market, nothing is free. You drive on socialized highways, you get your mail through a postal service (govt run), your police, firemen are all socialized workers…its called putting all our money into common core issues that benefit us all.

    • Ask Jim DeMint to persuade his ‘friend’ Harry Reid to move all of the bills the House GOP has passed on to the Senate off of his desk and allow an up or down vote on them.

  3. Affordable health care is cutting costs to health care. These right wing lies must stop. Even if the righties could possibly defund Obamacare…every state in the nation will immediately adopt a Single Payer Health care System like every industrialized nation in the world has. Their outcomes are much better as the US is now 37th in the world behind Cuba and Costa Rica. You teabaggers convinced those now on a single payer plan (medicare) to rally with you as they were so uneducated they didn’t no Medicare, like the VA health care systems are all single payer systems. You got nothing, the Supreme court has ruled, Obama care is the LAW of the land. If you try to defund it and throw millions back into emergency rooms which all taxpayers will pay for, you will absolutely destroy the GOP and any chance of holding the House. GOP being led by tea bagger, who love the corporations in control of everything while selling their own people down the river. California’s cost for medical health is already cheaper. When Insurance companies ruled the day, they could use your premium to cover their millionaire, billionaire CEOS, and shareholders. They were robbing medicare, blind. Under Obamacare, they must now use 80% of your premium on YOUR health care, or you get a check in the mail. Stop listening to the nuts, they are giving you bad information. Its all they have. 40times they tried to stop it, while permitting our citizens to be foreclosed on, jobs gone and didn’t come up with ANY plan of their own. These are crooks and charletans.

    • Government regulation and state-sanctioned monopolies are what broke our healthcare system. Are you serious in saying that more government regulation is going to help fix the past regulation?

      We already have enough socialized medicine. Look at Medicare and Social Security (which are annuities). The government looted those trust funds try by converting them into bonds and then wasting those bonds on all sorts of crap. That wasn’t the insurance company’s doing. That was the government.

      Some answers, hopefully in order:

      1. Tax money to fund emergency admissions for those who can’t afford it? Bring it on.

      The ER turns no man away, and I am MORE THAN HAPPY to have my tax money pay for the ER to do such a virtuous service.

      2. Cuba is “better” than us in the health field? By whose standard? What is “better”?

      Never compare us to that death trap. Good healthcare in Cuba doesn’t matter when you have political prisoners rotting in jail.

      3. Everyone else does it? Where are most leadign medicines and cures invented? Not them.

      If your friends jump off a building, should you? Should we force through a broken law to alter an already broken system because everyone else does it (and might I add, the British NHS is collapsing).

      4. You are correct in saying that insurance companies are robbing us. That is because we are being gouged by them because of their in-state monopolies. The Republican solution for healthcare was to break these monopolies so that they have to COMPETE like car companies. The Free Market will take care of the costs and practices. They call it “Big Pharma” for a reason. It’s the same reason we had “Big Oil” (Rockefeller) and “Ma Bell” (AT&T) in the 1900s and 1980s, respective.

      5. Insurance companies rob us because they are in bed with government protection. MORE government power will worsen the crony capitalism that already exists.

      5. Insurance companies and para-insuarance companies/assistants (like AARP) LOBBIED FOR THE HEALTHCARE LAW. Nancy Pelosi’s campaign contributions (found at http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00007360 ) show where she got her money.

      Now it’s your turn to answer:

      6. If California’s premium rates are going down, why are mine (Georgia) going up? Why is Ohio’s expected to go up between twenty and fifty percent? My family are visibly seeing costs go up. I happen to be on a Medicaid subsidy because of my mental issues. Medicaid is collapsing becuase of waste and abuse, and they, along with my private insurance company, are all costing us more.

      7. If this is so good for business, then why are businesses cutting hours to avoid the mandates for full time employees? Where are all these costs coming from?

      8. Why is the employers’ mandate BEING DELAYED?

      9. Why did Congress attermpt to exempt themselves from this allegedly infallible law?

      10. Why are all these waivers being granted to labor unions, businesses, and individuals that file the proper forms and ask on bended knee? Shouldn’t it be universal?

      11. Why can’t states invent their own healthcare systems? Massachutses used a single-payer universal system, and they aren’t even in the red? Why? THAT’S BECAUSE STATES KNOW HOW TO CARE FOR THEIR CITIZENS.
      I support states’ rights. IF A STATE WANTS A SINGLE-PAYER SYSTEM, THEN LET THE STATE HAVE IT. STATES’ RIGHTS WORKS BOTH WAYS.

      12. Why have the federal government dictate what insurance companies can do, when they can simply use existing laws (such as antitrust and monopoly regulations) to make them compete across state lines?

      EVERYTHING you claim can be done will be done better in the private sector.
      EVERYTHING.

      13. The healthcare law is not addressing the doctor shortage in this country, kid. In fact, since it’s going to crucify everyone on the upside-down cross of socialized medicine, doctors are going to be compensated LESS for practicing medicine and will therefore take payu cuts. DOCTORS THAT DON’T GET PAID DON’T DOCTOR. Have you ever considered that doctors work very hard for those six-digit salaries and that, perhaps, they deserve to be paid a lot?

      14. Why do doctors (like my ENT MD, my psychiatrists, and the local clinics) all hate this plan? Don’t you think doctors know more about medicine than Obama?

      15. Why are you trusting the government to run healthcare? Why aren’t we letting doctors do that?

      16. What possible benefit can come out of further interfering with the paitient-doctor relationship by reducing compensation to the doctor (which is proxied through the hospitals’ insurance rackets) and causing him to walk?

      17. Do you even go to little independent clinics? My psychiatrist helps run a small co-op of shrinks, and she fears that the healthcare law is going to shut her down, because Medicaid and other insurers can’t compensate her enough to stay in the black because of all the government regulations, red tape, and paperwork that the government demands.

      18. Why are insurance companies making even MORE money off of this law?

      19. Why are insurance actuaries excluded from tabulating what will and what will not be compensated, and how, in certain procedural functions?

      20. Can you justify the five new taxes levied by this healthcare law, such as the Medical Device Tax?

      21. Can you justify the Independent Payment Advisory Board and its authority to redefine Medicare supplementation?

      22. Can you answer all of that without insulting me?

      _

      The answer is NEVER more government involvement. If we got the government out of the insurance companies by breaking their monopolies, then perhaps we’ll see costs go down.

      A doctor does not treat the symptom if he’s holding the cure. This law treats a symptom of the greatest disease of all: crony capitalism and the government-blessed insurance monopolies that we know as “Big Pharma”! -and how does it treat it? MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL and MORE handouts to Big Pharma!

      • Use that little google thing. Cuba has one of the best health care systems in the world. They turn out more doctors and nurses than any other country, which is why they send them around the world to 3rd world countries. Cuba discovered a medication for a tropical illness where people from all over South America go to be treated. Cuba didn’t have an AIDS epidemic…as soon as they were diagnosed they were placed in a medical facility for treatment not permitted to engage the general population. They didn’t have millions dying while ole Ronald Reagun denied AIDS was an epidemic. Cuba has clinics and pharmacies in every little town and city in the country, even high up in the mountains.

        • If you like Cuba so much, and you worship their healthcare system, HOW’S ABOUT MOVING TO CUBA? Have you ever been to Cuba? Why do Cubans run from Cuba to Florida?

          Cuba has the best healthcare system in the world? So what? Cuba also imprisons dissidents, crushes criticism of the government, gives access to Party members over the common man, and trades doctors for oil (Venezuela), just like our evil capitalist nation does.

          Cuba invented one treatment for one tropical disease? I see your cure and raise you the American vaccines for malaria and West Nile.

          You’re telling me that Cuba stopped its ADIS epidemic by ROUNDING UP AIDS VICTIMS IN ITS INTERNMENT CAMPS? Didn’t we do something like that in the forties?

          Cuba has one clinic or pharmacy in every town?

          I am within driving distance of three pharmacies, two psychiatric offices, and the largest hospital (Northeast Georgia Medical Center) north of Atlanta. Tell me again how perfect Cuba is.

    • speak no truth200 – How much are you being paid by the demon crats to log onto conservative websites and spread your progressive talking point lies? I for one do not want to be just another industrialized nation in the world. We were, once upon a time, unique in this world. From 1776 until 2008 we were a Republic ruled by a Constitution framed with help from God. Since 2008 we have been governed by a smooth tongued, slick talking, community organizing, socialist, incompetent named Barak Hussein Obama and a pack of hand picked, radical, socialist czars with an agenda to destroy a unique country and make it like just everyone else. God help us regain control before it’s too late!!!

      • I get paid by no one. I have actually worked on the legislation from around the country for 12 yrs. Studied other countries systems. I don’t work for CATO, AEI, Heritage or the other fake groups sponsored by the corporate prostitutes the KOCH Brothers.

      • oh does it bother you that I speak truth to power and have the “nerve” to come on this “conservative website’, last time I checked this is a free country. And with the nonsense, blather and right wing talking points, YOU need some facts. Everything I say can be backed up with facts…google, anything I have said, and see for yourself…that is if you believe the lies your telling here.

    • My healthcare has gone up $2600.00 for the very same policy. Are u living on some planet eating mushrooms everyday? My company has taken 127 employees to part time, these are family men and women who are now working two jobs because of this disastrous law. This law was passed without one single Republican vote in the late hours of the night. How dare you bring up California the hugest bankrupt state in the entire world as some wonderful example! Those evil millionaire and billionaires happen to employ 100s of millions of Americans and since we are behind Cuba and Costa Rica, why don’t you move your worthless ass there since it is so much better.

  4. The United States cannot stoop to the level of giving in to obama. He is intimidating to get his way. This is not the way a free world accomplishes anything.

    • AS PEOPLE, WE ARE AGREE WITH YOU ONE THOUSAND PERCENT. THE BAD GRASS SHOULD PULL OFF FROM THE ROOTS. OBAMA-HOLDER RESIGN NOW. WE DON’T TRUST YOU, WE ARE NOT SAFE WITH YOU

    • Nancy good last name there! Free world? The civilized, industrialized nations in this “free world” all have single payer health care, not FOR PROFIT corporations robbing their people blind, shutting them off when they get sick, or refusing to pay, causing medical bankruptcy

  5. Sooner or later all of the people of this Nation are going to have to reconcile their aspirations to their individual wallets. And in the process we will have to allow insurance companies to operate across state lines so that our Healthcare insurance companies can maintain a viable business model. Each person needs to take care of their own and their families needs. Socialism is not the answer to the problem. Nor is
    Government the answer to any problem we have – government is the problem in and of itself.
    We now have 22 million people working for the government. It takes a minimum of five privately employed people to support one government employee. Do the math and you will see our problem…

    • Your last point is very interesting. Five employed persons to support one government employee is more than the number who now support one person on social security. Just proves, gov’t is too big.

  6. This morning’s news has gone from $12000+outof pocket expense for a family health plan to twice as much due to not implementing the full law until 2015 which gives insurance companies to up their plan costs. It sounds like the freaking democraps are making this up as they go along. Nobody should be getting any waivers or subsidies that we have to pay for with this failed health plan issue…it has failed and isn’t even getting started yet…535 people need to be jobless come next election time…

  7. AS PEOPLE, OBAMA HAS TAKE OVER NOT JUST HEALTH CARE? HE DID WITH AUTO-INDUSTRY, BANKING, ENERGY AND IN THIS TIME WHEN HE CLOSED OUR EMBASSY OVERSEAS HE WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY. THIS KIND OF INDUSTRY IS ACHILLES HEEL FOR AMERICA DUE TO, AIRPORTS ARE AMERICA’S BORDERS. THE TERRORISTS CRIMINAL ROOT IN TRIBE GREEK STARTED TO ATTACK AMERICA’S SOVEREIGNTY USED THE AIRLINES?….

      • WHO CARES WHAT TRIBE GREEK IS SAYING? IN MY OPINION I FEEL PROUD, WE FEEL EXCELLENT PLUS ONE WHEN YOUR RACE SAID BAD WORDS TO AMERICAN PEOPLE? WHO IS ILLITERATE AND WHO CLAIM OTHERS ARE IGNORANT? YOU DON’T KNOW THE SHAME? SCANDALS ARE YOUR FRIENDS. PEOPLE SAID TRIBE GREEK ARE EUROPEAN’S GYPSY. LA,LA,LA….

      • look turtle there is for worse things than poor illiteracy least lindita is trying more than be said of a lot of us–behold turtle is a first stone caster

    • The auto industry didn’t go bankrupt like GOP and Mutt Robme would have permitted. Obama is a black man why don’t you just SAY we hate him cuz he’s black. You never mention the FACT that Mutt Robme brought to Mass the CATO version of health care, which Obama and the democrats signed onto, because it WAS a republican idea…facts, are funny things.

      • AS PEOPLE FIRST MUTT ROBME IS FROM YOUR TRIBE’S VILLAGE WIFE? SECOND, OBAMA HAS A ROOT IN YOUR TRIBE GREEK. GREECE ISN’T WITH A WHEEL?…THIRD, OBAMA AND MUTT ROBME LIKE TO EAT A SAME PUMPKIN? TRAITORS DOESN’T HAVE IDEAL? THEY COULD PLAY AND PAY FOR PARTY CARD IN BOTH PARTIES?….

      • 1. Racist. You are officially a racist turd for bringing Obama’s color into a debate about healthcare. I don’t like the policies of Obama’s white half either, if you’re playing that card, because I don’t like Obama. I don’t like Obama because I don’t like what he is doing to this country and I do not support his policies.

        2. The auto industry deserved to go bankrupt. BAILING THEM OUT IS CORPORATE WELARE. Let me repeat. BAILING THEM OUT IS CORPORATE WELFARE. Therefore, you are contradicting your hate of corporate welfare by supporting corporate welfare. Bailing out the automakers is corporate welfare.

        3. Mitt Romney brought MASSACHUTSES a healthcare system that was meant for and passed by the people of the state of MASSACHIUTSES, thereby reenforcing my claim of STATES’ RIGHTS. MACCASHUTSES HAS A RIGHT, A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT, TO DECIDE HOW TO PAY FOR HEALTHCARE. STATES’ RIGHTS IS ABSOLUTE.

        4. Yes, Nixon also proposed an insurance mandate and had corporate regulations. Hillary did this as well. You’re telling me that Obama revived a NIXON policy? You just finished bashing Republicans and are reminding us that a Republican first proposed an Obama-esque insurance mandate? Why?

  8. AS PEOPLE, WE TRUST AND SUPPORT CONSERVATIVES AND BUSH FAMILY. WE SUPPORT ALSO ALL PATRIOT AMERICAN FROM BOTH PARTIES DON’T HAVE A ROOT IN A PREDATORY TRIBE GREEK THAT ARE HITLER’S FOLLOWERS AND WANT TO INSTALL FASCIST REGIME IN AMERICA AND BEYOND. THIS IS THIRD WORLD WAR PROVOCATION FROM THIS RACE. AS PEOPLE, RACISTS FROM PREDATORY TRIBE GREEK FAILED 1ST AND 2ND WORLD WAR. THEY WILL FAIL IN 3RD WORLD WAR, TOO. THE THIRD WORLD WAR STARTED ON SEPTEMBER 11 IN NEW YORK AND WILL END IN NEW YORK. AMEN!

    • Please stop trolling these forums. Hitler was Austian and then German, not Greek. Greece wasn’t the first country to have its banks collapse. World War III requires global conflict, the only conflicts are skirmeses between nations and factions, like Russians in Chechna or us in Afghanistan.

      You are insulting to the intelligence of everyone here (even the Obama voters) and really need to hush.

      Are you illiterate?

      • AS PEOPLE, YOU CAN FIND A LOT ILLITERATE PEOPLE IN TALIBAN, AL-QAEDA AND ALL TERRORISTS ORGANIZATION FROM YOUR TRIBE GREEK. BUT, YOU CAN FIND ILLITERATE IN JIHAD ORGANIZATION IN DOMESTIC AREA, TOO. DOESN’T MATTER THAN JIHAD’S MEMBER SUPPOSED TO BE FROM EDUCATED PEOPLE IN YOUR RACE? ONE MORE TIME. HITLER HAS BEEN A ROOT IN A TRIBE GREEK HIDING BEHIND EDUCATED GERMAN PEOPLE. THIS IS YOUR CONSPIRACY AND HIDING HABIT. SOME OF YOU EXPLAIN THIS CONSPIRACY DUE TO, FEELING SHAME TO TELL THE ORIGIN?….AS PEOPLE, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE RACE THAT CRUCIFY A JESUS CHRIST. THIS IS THE RACE TRYING TO PUT ON STATUE LIBERTY’S HEAD A THORNY CROWN AND BRUISE AMERICAN BEAUTIFUL COLORS FLAG? WE CAN SEE DESIGN ON T-SHIRT, WE CAN FEEL IN NEW YORK STREET HOW YOUR TRIBE ROLLING EVERYDAY IN A ROCKEFELLER CENTER, ABC AND FIFTH AVENUE TO CELEBRATE FASCISM ANNUNCIATION? YOU ARE WAITING WITH IMPATIENCE TO CELEBRATE BANKRUPTCY IN NEW YORK AND TO SEE HOW YOUR PRESIDENT WILL TAKE OVER THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY? WE CAN SEE IT, WE CAN FEEL IT.

    • Maybe you should look into the 911 Truther groups, they aren’t buying what the plutocrats said happened on 911…Ole George WAR bush was on vacation for a whole month cutting brush, while the documents were on his and Rice’s desk: “Osama likely to strike America with planes”…are your all feeble minded and forgetful? Democracy came from Greece, but of course you baggers don’t like the Consitution or the Bill of Rights, or you wouldn have permitted Bush et al, to deliver the misnamed Patriot Act which destroyed the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th amendements. Wake up. Get off FAUX News the modern day Goebels channel.

  9. Obama is an imposter. He is simply not capable of being the chief executive of the US, nor does he have the work ethic and intellect necessary to preserve the status of this great country. For over 200 years, we as a nation and people have been a beacon of hope and aspiration for the world, however it is Obama`s position to change that and demote us to a 3rd rate nation. He has no idea that his intent will actually hurt the very people both at home and abroad that he believes he is helping. Obama wants to fundamentally change our constitution and the principles that our nation were founded on. Rather then encouraging individual initiative, the hardest working, and creative among us, he chooses to put them under financial duress to support those that chose to be non-productive. His goal, whether intentional or ignorant, will be to create an average or below average populace that has lost its individualism and initiative. This country will no longer be the beacon to attract the brightest, hardest working, or most creative, but rather a culture and society of mediocrity dependent on the government to provide and think for them. Eventually this will create 2 classes, those in the government and aligned politically with the government because they benefit financialyl from a strong centralized government and the mass of drones who are happy with the mediocre government handouts. This scenario benefits only the worst among us and is actually a throw back to a society and government that is primitive and our Founding Fathers worked to prevent.

    • Obama’s words — We are five days away from fundamentally changing this country. He is doing it. You underestimate his abilities and that is what’s dangerous.

    • Exactly what has Obama proposed that would CHANGE the Constitution, more bullcrap without fact. This country was founded by deists, not Christians. They fled England to get away from state religion wanted the freedom to express any religion of their choice. Remember the ILLIGAL immigrants that arrived on the shores of this country, began a KILLING campaign, stealing an entire nation from the Native Americans…who have been fighting terrorism since 1492.

      • “Spktruth” is correct. Americans fled England for religious freedom. Fifty of the men who signed the Declaration of Independence were active members of a church. (cite: 4. M.E. Bradford, A Worthy Company: Brief Lives of the Framers of the United States Constitution | Marlborough, NH: Plymouth Rock Foundation, 1982)

        America is technically a Deist nation and a Freemason nation, if you want to play technical terms. YET: if fifty of them were Christian, how can you be certain that all fifty were not in any way influenced by Christendom or theology when they were drafting and shaping the governance of America.

        Our nation borrows many roots and moral philosophies of just governance from Christianity. America is not a Christian nation, it is a Christian-INFLUENCED nation.

  10. By the way, CBS just announced that employers are taking many Americans to part time. WOW!!!! Way to go you frigging idiot liberals, 2 months after this story broke, you fascists finally break it yourselves.

    • You say fascism, but you apply it to the far-left.

      (That said, they do have a mean streak of corporatism in them, considering that they’d rather dictate the private sector to their will and reward their friends instead of nationalizing it a la Marxism.)

  11. THIS IS THE MOMENT. IT’S TIME TO LET THIS ADMINISTRATION KNOW “WE DON’T WANT OBAMACARE. IF YOU’RE READING THIS, THEN JOIN IN AND MAKE YOUR FEELINGS KNOWN. THIS PRESIDENT HAS MANDATED ENOUGH WITHOUT CONSENSUS OF CONGRESS, NOT TO MENTION A LARGE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS. I WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND SENATE. THERE IS A PLATFORM WHICH NEEDS A LOT MORE USAGE BY REPUBLICANS. STAND UP AND SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. WE, OUT HEAR, WANT OUR FEELINGS EXPRESSED AND HEARD ON THIS SUBJECT BECAUSE IT WILL BE DISASTEROUS FOR THE COUNTRY, MILLIONS OF AMERICANS AND BUSINESSES. GET WITH IT!

    • This is “passed” THE MOMENT but not too late if everyone would start hounding their state representatives and the media reporters and NOT LET UP. WE should have screamed bloody murder when this bill was passed in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve with bribes and special deals to get enough votes to pass it, and WITH NO BIPARTISANSHIP. That’s when AMERICA should have said NO! We weren’t loud enough then and aren’t being LOUD ENOUGH …OFTEN ENOUGH now! The coming election in 2014 is essential for saving America …. we must take back the Senate and hold the House. Patriots to this country MUST get involved…. it has to be NO HOLDING back of your time, energy and commitment. The moral values of this country have been stripped out from under us, including our rights and freedoms. If we don’t like Obamacare… Make noise and don’t stop. If we don’t like spying on us…Make noise and don’t stop. “If we want to protect our gun rights….Make noise and don’t stop. If we don’t want SOCIALISM… make noise and don’t stop! Join forces with campaign groups you support and work to get the right people elected. Hound the press for lousy reporting! We all have to do the “united we stand” thing and put some leg work into it. “Nothing good happens when good people do nothing”!

  12. For me to keep my doctor of several decades, my monthly premiums increased
    $458.30 in the span of 367 days. I wouldn’t even consider making a car payment
    that large! But, what no one addresses is that what is called “mainstream”
    medicine, or as I call it, “pain-stream,” has been PREdetermined for us as our
    necessary health care modality. My visits to a medical doctor are few because I
    have chosen other modalities, something a FREE person can do–things like
    Ayurvedic herbs and homeopathics, along with organic foods, etc. My CIVIL RIGHTS
    have been usurped. Why does no one mention this? Also, ObamaCare is a DIRECT
    TAX, something forbidden by the Constitution without a Constitutional Amendment.
    Oh, yes, the 16th Amendment(on income, not spending) has been PROVED with
    government certified documents that 3/4 of the states did NOT ratify it. All of
    this is TYRANNY! What are you doing, Heritage Action, to protect me on these
    fronts???

  13. Just defund the damn thing. I’m tired of some Republicans getting weak in the knees. It’s like any job, if you can’t do it get someone else in their that can. Simple as that. Just do it!

  14. Defunding O-Care can’t come soon enough for me and the thousands of Americans watching their hours being reduced to 29 hours.

  15. Can someone tell me what happened to the funding for the poor black children in Washington D.C. who were trapped in the failing public schools and who were so happy to have had vouchers to help them attend private or religious schools prior to Obama taking office? Who ordered that “de-funding”? Or is there a separate set of rules for democrats when it comes to how congress spends our money?

    • it was probably taken off the table through another Executive Order. We however are not being kept up to date by our Representatives. They are not accomplishing anything else, don’t you think they may have time to communicate with the folks they represent or are supposed to represent?

      • they don’t like vouchers its because that means they will not have complete control our kids. they hate home schooling for the same reason an there they can not brain wash them

  16. Republicans need to fight the fight, and make the case to the American people. They were elected to stop Obamacare and its destructive policies. Now do it.

    • blueride we republicans are for freedom an small government BUT the people we have put in office are leaning way left of our ideas in this is the problem they an their democrat members both think we are stupid an don’t know what is best for us—but that is how marixs an liberials an commist all think. they think that way because it has nothing to do really with our well being its all about control an money for them selfs

  17. I will not participate in ObominationCare. He will have to make me a political prisoner instead. I will not cowtow to this illegal immigrant usurper. I will not bow down to false idols!

      • Thank you. If everyone simply let their congressmen & senators know that we will not participate, they will understand the impossible problem they’re going to have trying to implement it.

  18. I wonder what the problem is. The Congress (House) has a responsibility to act when the President overreaches. With the POTUS delaying the large business mandates, they no longer have a choice. It is their constitutional responsibility to defund the Unaffordable Healthcare Act. That is the only action open to them.

    They also need to learn how to control the discussion. We talk about lack of transparency in the Administrative branch, how about the Congressional Branch of Government, especially the House of Representatives. The MSM (POTUS Propaganda Ministry) and the Democrats have fully controlled the discussion to this point. If the current batch of congressional members on the Republican side cannot find a way to maintain reasonable control over the discussion of issue under control of the House, we need some new blood and new ideas.

    Get out and attend Townhall meetings this month and make it known we must see change in the House before the 2014 elections. Action must be taken to reign in the Administrative branch of Government. The House must learn to be proactive and communicative with their constituents and those of the Democrats.

  19. ALWAYS DRUNK ARE HITLER’S FOLLOWERS OUT OF THE DRINK. AS PEOPLE, WE ARE ALERT. THE FIRST STATE UNDER FASCISM BOOT PLANED FROM PREDATORY TRIBE 20 YEARS AGO SUPPOSED TO BE NEW YORK. WE THE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK ARE FEELING, ARE SEEING EVERYDAY IN A STORE DECORATED WITH BLUE AND ORANGE COLOR THAT REPRESENT FASCISM. WE SEE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AMERICAN FLAG ARE SLOPPY. BLOOMBERG GROUP HITLER’S FOLLOWERS AND SAME ROOT WITH HIM DID THE MUCK ON AMERICAN FLAG. THIS GROUP COLORED TAXI WITH ORANGE FASCIST COLOR WE SEE FASCIST’S SHADOW IN NEW YORK STREET, IN FRONT OF ABC CHANNEL AND ALL CHANEL AROUND INCLUDED FOX NEWS. WE ARE SEEING, WE ARE FEELING…..

  20. a lie by any other name is still a lie and obama care has been one of the biggest lies in history. Obama care is designed to collapse the entire health care system just has the IRS intrusions are designed to collapse the tax base and bring on total economic collapse. The 4th, 2nd 14th and other amendments now under attack will bring this country to its knees and wreck generations of prosperity.

  21. Big Government needs to stop. I hope the Republicans do what’s right, but believe the two Party system is outdated and needs to change. More ideas and thoughts can only help.

    • nope all that needs to change is us- back to being a god fearing nation an one that stands like our lady in a harbor does FOR FREEDOM of the people an for the people

    • i understand your frustration; however, if the conservatives don’t band together in 2014 and 2016, we will have Hillary for eight years. I’m sorry, but I would do anything to not have to go through another 8 years of this mess.

    • You know what PR…? It’s percisely that kind of shallow attitude that enabled Obama’s reelection. It was truly a choice of the lesser of two evils, and look at which one we got – the worst imaginable. You show ’em with your pious, selfish, high-brow attitude….

      • Explain to me what is the difference between a RINO selling out to BO and an elected lib voting the same way. Both operate on the basis that they know best what I need versus what I want in my elected representatives. I have contributed for the last time to RINOS. Have you checked proposed Illegal legislation or Obama Care particularly in the Senate – I have had enough! NO party contributions does not say I won’t contribute to individuals WHO ARE CONSERVATIVES1

        • What I am saying, PR, is that if there is a choice between two candidates – say Romney and Obama – you have to be a brain-dead idiot to sit home and not participate. And, I do not support the GOP financially…haven’t since 2004

    • PR -your energy would be better spent calling, writing your congressman and senators to join Mike Lee in this fight – instead of threatening to withhold your vote.
      Yes, it’s disturbing to see the Republicans roll over on this, but our problem is all about the republicans and the democrats. It’s really about government vs. the people.
      don’t give up – this is the time we need to motivate people to act – now before it’s too late.

  22. AS PEOPLE, WE DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY OBAMA IS TAKING CARE FOR PATIENTS AND HE DOESN’T CARE FOR A HEALTHY PEOPLE?…..WHY HE WANTS TO SEE ALL AMERICANS IN A HOSPITAL’S DOORS?…..WHY?…

    • let me give this a try lindita–they could care less about you or me its the power they will have over us an the billions they will control. its all about power an control period. same as with guns don’t think for one second that they thinking about crime or your well being. control you me an the rest of us that it an that is what its all about

  23. AS PEOPLE, OUTAGE THE SEATS FROM AMADEUS AND SABRE SYSTEM IN RESERVATION BOOKING SINCE ONE MONTH BEFORE WILL GO IN BANKRUPTCY THE TRAVEL PRESTIGIOUS COMPANIES WITH CENTER IN NEW YORK? OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY. JUST, HE DID WITH AUTO-INDUSTRY, BANKING, ENERGY AND HEALTH CARE.

  24. One would have to be kind of “low information” to actually think anyone can “overturn” the ACA. They can’t. Defund? nope. And to see the GOP house vote, count em, 40 times to overturn something that is not possible to overturn is just silly. Jim DeMint knows it.

    The Republicans do not have the votes in the Senate and would not be able to stop Obama for vetoeing it. And to add salt to the would, the right leaning SCOTUS even approved it. So, when this law goes into effect in January, just find the parts that need tweaking and changes them. Simple.

    • sorry but they can defund obamacare an I pray they do. all funding come from the house. do they want to is the question.an tell me WHAT part of obamacare does not need TWEAKING. SIMPLE–only in your mind

      • Don, how in the heck is the House going to defund Obamacare with no support from the Senate or Obama? Really? The only way they can do it is to . . .as promised, “shut this government down.” And you and I have both seen conservatives publicly state in the last month that doing it is a bad idea. . the Republicans will be blamed, as they should, and it could affect their 2014 elections. And it will.
        90% of the posters on this website are on Social Security and Medicare as we all know. Medicare is loved by most. . .and is a single payer system. Today Newt said that the GOP has ZERO ideas for a health care alternative. . .making their credibility even worse. And NO ONE would ever consider Newt a liberal.
        For our family, Obamacare cannot come fast enough. Last July we had a close family member be denied health insurance due to a pre-existing condition. The life saving medication alone costs over $500 a month. So, do we just let em die?

        • We will all die eventually. seems you’re willing to further bankrupt our nation, by this monstrosity, to get a little insurance help. Solution? Get out and work (more if you need to) for your loved one. Quit pushing the loss of everyone else’s liberty for your ease, moron!

  25. I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM OR A LOT OF THE ONES RUNNING THAY DONT DO US RIGHT THEY TAKE AWAY FROM US MORE AND MORE EVER DAY NO THANKS DORA STACY

  26. I believe we should defund Obamacare and make a statement about the fraudulent process throughout its short life. Someone who can speak articulately with a powerful message should carry the torch not Boehner, McConnell, Kantor, McCain, Graham these men are dolts and should leave our presence forever.

    • Yes, and where is that “Someone”?

      My guess is that “Someone” wouldn’t start out treating symptoms of the disease. That “someone” needs to be someone who’s going right to the center of the disease itself: Leftist progressivism.

      • your answer 8184 is WE–WE THE PEOPLE- as of right now there is no WE–right now there is only you me an us an a lot of talk an finger pointing an wanting SOMEONE to fix this mess WE caused. action is all they now will understand.

  27. Heritage Action is making a huge mistake buying into the Democratic storyline that the Republican Party will go down in flames if Republicans tie defunding Obamacare to a Continuing Resolution necessary to keep the deficit spending train rolling.

    Stating that Republicans don’t want to ‘shut down the government’ is a red herring, as many Americans are already way ahead of the curve.

    America has become a massive criminal enterprise run by banksters, fraudsters and corporate oligarchs running a military industrial machine bent upon enslaving America and the world.

    The longer Heritage Action acts like Congress can be brought around to doing the ‘right thing’ through citizen involvement and action, the sooner it will be marginalized.

    Congress and the courts have degenerated into lap dogs for ruling elites and their only purpose is to legitimize crimes against the American people and humanity.

    Yes, every atrocity will be ‘legal’ just like it was under Hitler’s rule.

  28. To the two responders to my post:
    What is the difference if the RINOs roll over for BO now? versus having Hil in 2016 with a Democrat majority because I withhold my vote for RINOs??

  29. get rid of obama, there is petition sites on line, or create one of your own, its very simple, what is causing the problem and continues to cause problems, needs to be removed, learn from this terrible mistake – [obama which means abomination ] do not ever repeat it and move, IMPEACH OBAMA ! thank you and try and have a good day even though we have a disgrace for a president that abused our country and hurt the american people and please do not forget the so called first lady, who made a mock out of our flag, that can be seen on you tube, and other nasty tidbits that these 2 fools do running our country to the ground

    • NO gunnar the disgrace is WE the people. is to have allowed ourselves to be lower to this level. our fore fathers make a nation that has stood above all others an in a short short we let corruption an tyrants bring this great nation of freedom an the home of the brave to her knees-why -because we have truned our backs on each other WE have let the likes of Obama divide us

  30. Obamacare is not going away. Get used to the idea. Repeat: Obamacare is not going away. And the Republicans are NOT about to prove me wrong.

    One day you sheep will wake up. But probably not until the new Nazi regime comes goose-stepping into your living room.

      • As long as you think this is only about Obama, your proposal is worthless. I can promise you, in 2016, you won’t even be thinking about Obama anymore.

  31. I don’t know what movie Ms. Rosario or the posters here are watching, but Obamacare is THE law. It will never be overturned. Just try and name one law that has been overturned after being passed by Congress and signed off by the SCOTUS. What a waste of energy.

    If the GOP spent this much time creating ways to get more middle class jobs, we might get somewhere. But then again, they probably have no ideas either.

      • Uh, every single law that is passed is modified as it goes through implementation. The ACA will be tweaked too. . as it should. The Republican house, with an approval rating of 16% has cast it’s lot with overturning and defunding the ACA, two things that will NEVER happen. Now they stupidly want to “shut this government down” in order to defund the ACA. I cannot wait until those on this website . . who get SS checks, realize that when the government shuts down, they will not be getting the checks. . and Medicare. . . ! Uh, oh.

        • Republicans do not want to shut the government down. They want to fund everything EXCEPT Obamacare. It would be the democrats that would shut the government down and blame it on republicans-as usual.

          • Uh, the not only McConnell and Boehner have said “we are goign to shut this government down” but. . .several other Republicans have too. Are you suggesting they are lying? Obamacare will NEVER be overturned or defunded. When was the last time you saw a major law passed, by Congress, signed by the President and approved by the SCOTUS?
            States that want Obamacare to work like OR and CA. . it will work. Southern red states will be the last to jump in. But to suggest that the GOP has not vociferously said we “are going to shut this government down” to stop Obamacare is silly. Everyone heard it. And the GOP WILL be blamed by the public once those SS checks stop coming in. The current Republican party is not the same one I joined decades ago. Is it self absorbed, run by right wing wackos. . and make Reagan looks like a left winger.

          • Despite what anyone has said or not said, the Republicans in the house and senate are proposing funding everything EXCEPT Obamacare. Please explain how is that shutting down the government?

          • Uh, everyone has heard that in order to “defund” obamacare, that the Republicans have said “we are going to shut this government down”. . .basically until they squeeze Americans so much that they get what they want. This is no secret? Did you hear what Charles Krauthammer said about it? He suggested that Obamacare will never be overturned. And it will make the GOP, AGAIN, look selfish, trying to overturn a major law that is impossible to overturn. ALL of the Republicans in the House know that they have no power to overturn the ACA, but that didn’t stop them from voting to repeal it 40 TIMES! Why? Because ONLY the low information stupid voters will actually believe them. Obamacare is the law. It has already made a difference. Health insurance rates only went up 1.3% in the last twelve months. The lowest in 50 years. In San Diego County, for example, rates for Kaiser for a 40 year old will be $268. For Health Net “silver plan” the rate will be $290. Those rates are 12% lower than past rates. In Oct. we are going to see the actual rates from all “exchanges” who are finally competing for business. It can’t come fast enough for our family, where one of us was denied health insurance last July for a pre existing condition. Life saving medication costs us over $500 month. I can’t wait until January.

          • You still haven’t explained how a proposal to fund all government programs except Obamacare is shutting the government down.

          • Economist Milton Friedman was right. Economic, (which affects political decisions) personal self-interest drives most decisions about our political views. “Elucidated” finally admits the real reason behind his love for ObamaCare: “It can’t come fast enough for our family, where one of us was denied health insurance last July for a pre-existing condition. Life saving medication costs us over $500 month. I can’t wait until January.” (waa, waa, waa!) THERE IT IS! It’s going to save me money! And all you get to pitch in to help me (coerced of course by the federal govt.!!! Isn’t “democracy” grand? ). But if greed gets people in, it will also eventually get them out! Especially when that medicine costs twice as much as it does today under ObamaCare. You are not “entitled” to others’ help to make your medicine cost less because you wouldn’t keep adequate insurance protection when you needed it (or whomever in your family needed it)! It’s called”risk”. Now that your house “,has burned down”, you want to be “insured” (at others’ expense). And you’re not unwilling to move for govt. coercion, of everyone else, to get it. So let’s call it what it is, lack of planning, self-interest, and greed (wanting what others own for your personal or family ease). That, my friend, is charity, not a (“healthcare”) right. GET OUT OF THE CHEESELINE!!!!

          • T, did you know virtually everyone on Medicare, a single payer system is happy with it? Did you know that the number one group against the Affordable Care Act are the right wingers on Medicare? Hmm. As a fox poster, I have said for YEARS that I favor health care for the 30 MILLION Americans with NO health care because it is the right thing to do. And I wanted a single payer system like YOU enjoy. I didn’t even know that a family member would be denied health insurance until July, as I said before.
            Most people on this website are socialists on the government dole. .on SS and Medicare, as you know. They apparently don’t givead am n about anyone but themselves.
            To be clear, I am in the 28% tax bracket and have no financial house burning down. I will not be taking nor needing SS like you, just another old socialist.

            Here is what your House Rep. don’t want you to know since SOME Of them have been dead lying about it.
            1.The ACA cannot be stopped. Ever. It was passed by Congress, signed by the President and approved by the conservative SCOTUS.
            2. Even if the GOP retakes the Senate in 2014, they STILL will not have enough votes to stop funding the ACA. How stupid was the House to vote 41 times to overturn it when they KNEW they couldn’t? The answer is . . their base is REALLY STUPID.
            3. The ACA will work for those states that want it to. Most Americans like you have NO clue that the exchanges are already competing. . something that has NEVER happened in health care before. Hospitals are buying up dozens of practices, reducing overlapping costs big time.
            For example, in CA and OR, the rates coming out in Oct. will reflect a 12% discount for ratepayers. In San Diego County, Kaiser, a managed care system will charge a 40 year old single male $268 a month for a “silver plan” and HealthNet will be $290. In OR, someone under 30 will pay $110 a month. We’ve ALREADY been paying for people with no insurance for decades, one way or the other which insurance co. jacked our rates to cover it. But NOW, health insurance co. cannot overcharge. How? For decades, they health ins. co. charged administration costs of 33% OVER AND ABOVE their profits. As of Jan. ’14 they can charge no more than 20%. Kaiser charges 8% and Medicare, 6%. What are you missing?

          • …except for the fact that the last 80+ years have proved Friedman absolutely wrong….on every level…..but just like every conservative/libertarian….these things called facts and history mean little when they don’t support your position….and you have no issue with making up things as you go along if need arises….

          • No, I don’t think you understand how our government nor society at large works.
            You don’t get to fund only the parts of Government that you like while leaving the rest because you couldn’t get your way legislatively….under the pain of shutting down the government… and then blame the other guy for wanting to shut down the government. If you didn’t want the government to shut down…then you would have done your damn job as law makers.

            The problem here is…you and other conservatives don’t seem to understand that allowing the republicans to nullify passed legislation in an extra-legislative manner more or less nullifies our representative Republic…

    • The GOP is in favor of the Keystone pipeline which would create thousands and thousands of jobs if you also consider all the secondary jobs that would be created because of the pipeline. All the suppliers of materials and equipment. Restaurants, stores, housing for workers, the construction jobs to build the housing etc. The cost of gas would go down and we could be free of dependence on foreign oil. Obama will not OK the pipeline.

      • Uh, the numbers of jobs created by the Keystone pipeline is 4000 for the first five years of construction, etc. Then that number drops to a few hundred after it is done, despite the hyperbole from the right, desperate to dissuade from the fact that: NONE OF THIS OIL GOES TO THE US. Five international countries have already spoken for this oil. Google it for yourself. They will be selling it to the highest bidder. . meaning China.

        So, what the GOP does not want to admit is the fact that we are going to run a pipeline right down the middle of the heartland of America. . .and it is going to go to China. And the US will get none of it. The cost of gas will NEVER go down from this pipeline. You’ve been sold a bill of goods, bruddah.

        • Where are you getting these so called “facts”? People said the same baloney about the Alaskan pipeline and I personally know several people-young people at the time- who went up there to work on the pipeline (yes, I’ll admit I am that old) and made a fortune. People also said the pipeline would disrupt the migration of caribou and their numbers would go way down. The exact opposite has happened. They constructed the pipeline so it would not obstruct the migration routes. And because the pipeline generated some warmth, the caribou flocked there to give birth to there young and their numbers have increased. Even if what you say is true, which I am not admitting it is as there is much propaganda out there-You believe a pipeline is going to go through the heartland to provide oil for other countries and there will be no compensation in $ to the US for this? And it will take only 4000 people to build and maintain it? You also dismiss without comment all the other secondary jobs associated with the construction of the pipeline. Sounds pretty unbelievable.

          • I got my ‘facts’ from Fox News, Jan. 18, ’12 on the Keystone Pipeline. You can cite your source, too, to tell me I am wrong. I’ll look for it.

            Here is the first “fact’ from the article on Fox:
            “The oil to be sent through Keystone XL pipeline was never destined for US markets. In its own presentation to investors about the proposed pipeline extension, TransCanada (the company behind Keystone XL) boasted that most if not all of the extracted and refined oil would be exported — sold in oversees markets where oil fetches a higher price (and thus turns a higher profit for the company).”
            As I shared, five international companies have already spoken for the oil to be sold worldwide. If Canada could run the pipeline to the ocean, they would, but it is too difficult. So, they have presented misinformation to nurture their position, as all of the stakeholders know.

            Again, I look forward to your sources that counter what I said. What’s most “unbelievable” is that so many Americans have been sold this as a news source of energy when that is not true. How stupid are we? Ooops.

          • There are several good articles on the pros and cons of the Keystone pipeline available online. I would direct you to one called “Much Ado About a Pipeline” on the CSIS ( Center for Strategic and International Studies ) website. CSIS is a non-partisan think tank that strives to foster “strategic insights and bi-partisan policy solutions” It addresses some of your statements. Who, by the way, are you quoting in the article on FOX?

  32. Heritage is right – if Republicans don’t support Senator Lee’s position on “defunding Obamacare” but funding the government then they are “for” obamacare. There is no inbetween.
    But unfortunately many republican senators and house members are not joining up. This means they are giving up an opportunity to stop this monstrosity.
    I would urge everyone to contact their senators and house members to put the pressure on. It’s going to take the people to mobilize this because republicans won’t and they haven’t up until now.

  33. The House Republicans should pass a funding bill that funds gov’t but does not fund Obamacare (both mandatory & discretionary). Let the senate pass whatever they will and then the bills go to reconciliation. We will then know who is for Obamacare and who is more concerned about America. Of course the media will blame repubs but so what? Repubs did well in the election after the Clinton admin shut down and the people, today, although not wanting to see a shut down, know that it takes both parties and the president to shut down the gov’t this time around. It may be true that responsible governing will return to the federal gov’t only after the tea parties, through the states, pass amendments per Levine’s new book.

  34. “”Voting for a spending bill that excludes ObamaCare will take courage and integrity.” ” ObamaCare can’t be defunded because most of its spending is deemed “mandatory.” ” president Obama, along with all the Democrats, will accuse Republicans of trying to shut down the government””

    All three above points concerning ObscumboCare are preposterous!! Who are these numbskulls talking to? Kindergarteners? FIrst why does any bill have to be political? This particular piece of trash is not a health bill to begin with – whether it was passed to see what was in it or not. This is an illegal and unConstitutional bill passed without anyone reading the bill – designed to control 1/6th of the nations budget! As for courage and integrity – NOt a damned bit of courage or integrity from anyone on capital hill beginning at the white house and on down to congress – just a bunch of vile boneheads who worry whether this bill will help or hurt their party or their chances next election – I tell you what. I will veto it right now and toss it into an incinerator where it belongs! All America rejects this bill. Cant be defunded? Mandatory? Watch me defund it – its easy you say “Absolutely NO Funding for ObscumboCare! THe world will not stop turning and should anyone claim this or that about shutting down the government LET THEM!!! Just think of the money that will not be squandered away while idiots in Washington are shut down! The world will not stop turning and we will all be fine! While the Government is running it piles up 16 Trillion worth of deficit!! So it will be great to shut it down for a couple or three years! Moreover, Congresswoman Bachmann was a Tax Lawyer for several years prior to serving in Congress — She had a perfect three step plan that would first disallow Obsumbocare start up funding (i think stolen from medicare) Her second step was to disallow Funding as we are discussing now and the last step was to fully repeal this illegal piece of fecal matter. Last as a sidebar Harry Reid thinks a single provider situation is just ducky? I will bet that there are several persons who would be happy to provide multiple lead perforations through this vile mans torso! I would be! I guess I told you how I really feel – I did try to keep some back so sorry.

  35. Defund, Defund, Defund!

    How the heck can you believe Congress can pass a law and not fund it; replace it, repeal it or simply not enforce it. Three of these remedies are legal, one is not.

    Moreover, A Supreme Court is not supreme; remember Dred Scott? We the People are the sovereigns in this nation, not 9 unelected, politically appointed judges.

    The Fact is, The House has budget power, appropriations power and legislative power. We’ll soon learn if the Senate and The Obama Administration’s demagoguery continue to prevail. It could, again,determine, as President Lincoln said “a new nation, …that nation, or any nation, can long endure.”

    What should any good people do when the law of the land is wrong? Stamp Tax, Tea Tax, King George III’s Tyranny from 3000 miles away was enough to form this nation but it took “with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge our Lives, our Treasures and our sacred Honor. to Secure It!

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